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Let me preface this by saying that my family has always been liberal, My grandfather founded the socialist party in Nevada. And I was raised to believe that the Israeli's could do no wrong. My views on this have modified somewhat as I've gotten older. I'm of the opinion that Israel needs to disentangle themselves from the west bank and Gaza and get out. And the Israeli's recent actions of forcing Zionist settlers out of illegal settlements are a good thing. However I fully feel that the current actions in Lebanon are justified.

Preparatory reading for an unbiased history of the Middle East can be found Here This is one of the best and most unbiased sites I’ve been able to find on the topic.



These are very powerful images. Is the subject good, bad? Is it any worse or better than these? Because it’s children doing it, rather than women in bomb factories in world war 2 posing with the ordinance



Or Modern Ordinance on a plane special delivery. . .




Regarding the pictures above.

Writing on bombs has a long and gloried history. We did it in the factories in WW2, we did it on the nukes we dropped on Japan.

We do it on the bombs we're dropping in the Middle East.

I really don't see the issue in Israeli's response to Hezbollah kidnapping 2 soldiers, firing missiles 30 miles into Israel, hitting suburbs of Haifa (The deepest missile strikes in Israeli history), and trying to hit Tel Aviv as well - Using Iranian supplied Surface to Surface Ballistic Missiles. . .

You can bet your ass we'd be writing some colorful things if (and I realize this is very far fetched) Radical Extremists were firing missiles from Mexico into L.A.

The Israeli's are completely justified IMO in their current actions. You can only present the olive branch of peace for so long only to have it grabbed and have it used to smack you across the face for so long before it becomes time to demonstrate what the alternative is.

When you are fighting for your survival, As the Israeli's have been almost continuously for almost 60 years.

http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

There's not a lot of room for niceties

Rev

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winterr
Jul. 20th, 2006 07:23 pm (UTC)
I actually think both the Israelis and Arabs are somewhat justified. I personally have no preference.

I do think that both groups are making it harder on themselves. Both perceive wrongs done to them and it's natural for humans to retaliate against a wrong, either perceived or not. It's a vicious cycle.

What I blame both groups for is not trying to break that cycle of retaliation -- by not attempting to figure out what the other perceives as a transgression and then making a conscious effort to stop doing those things that the others sees as unjustified.

Granted, there are things that neither group will ever do. For example, Israelis will never give up Isreal. Arabs will never relinquish their claim on Israel. But, even given those things there's helluva lot of room to work with. It may take a generation or two to work through the problems but so far neither side is even willing to work towards that end or make the sacrifices to do so.

It's like watching two 9 year-olds fight.
razorslave
Jul. 20th, 2006 07:38 pm (UTC)
except the 9 year olds have AK-47's Home Made Rockets, and Explosive Vest's on one side, and Tanks, jet's and Neutron Bombs on the other.

Rev
winterr
Jul. 21st, 2006 03:02 am (UTC)
heh, that is so right on!
davidlucas
Jul. 20th, 2006 07:27 pm (UTC)
Good entry.
And powerful pictures. I really didn't like seeing people posing with bombs. Ugh.
spookyshoes
Jul. 20th, 2006 07:54 pm (UTC)
I completely agree with you.
nebet_het
Jul. 20th, 2006 11:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting not only about your opinion but for pointing out the history behind writing on the weapons. I knew it was done in WWII on the nukes we dropped in Japan. Interestingly enough the pic of the Israeli girls has created quite a stir amongst the blogs. The Guardian had this article about it:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/2006/07/20/an_explosive_image_in_lebanon_conflict.html
razorslave
Jul. 21st, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC)
Very good article. And about what I had figured. :)

Rev
billyname99
Jul. 21st, 2006 01:22 am (UTC)
Does anyone else find it disturbing to realize that the bombs those children are writing on have a very good chance of killing kids no older that the girls with the pens?

Here's my solution to the violence in that particular patch of the Middle East:

Get it all over with in ONE DAY!

Step One: Annouce the day of the battle and the rules to all interested parties.

Step Two: ARM EVERYBODY! Grandma, Grandpa, Mom, Dad, the Kids, the Kids' Nannies, Janitors, Cooks- EVERYBODY!

Anyone who has a trigger finger and can move under their own power gets a gun/bomb/rpg/whatever. The Invalids get remote detonated robot-bombs

Step Three: Announce that the last ones left standing get to rule the land and call it whatever they want.

Step Four: Blow the whistle, Fire the Gun, Drop the Flag and let the battle begin.

Maybe the survivors will have gotten all the hate out of their systems and will turn all the left over ordinance into tools and farm equipment.

Another solution would be much simpler:

Nuke the entire territory into pretty, green-glowing plate glass.

That way there won't be anything left to fight over.

Ok, I know the fallout would be bad, but in a hundred thousand years when it's safe to inhabit again, no one will remember why the place got nuked.

Can you tell I'm disgusted by this shit?

ebatt
Jul. 21st, 2006 04:28 am (UTC)
wow- fascinating stuff
sicksexfix
Jul. 22nd, 2006 04:50 pm (UTC)
Aw your post was so sweet. :o)

I think I'm tearing up.
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