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Waiting for the upload to finnish, and it will be available for a short time. . . or until my bandwidth gets exceeded. . . ;)

As Promised uberthug

Das Bunker Demo (108mb)
Cue Sheet(Load with Nero Burning Rom to burn Mp3 to a 17 Track CD)

Demo Track List:
Asche - Atomic I.C.E. (MS Gentur Mix)
Combichrist - Without Emotion
NKVD - Timescape
KiEw - Dcdisk (Dd Version)
Converter - Zombi
Feindflug - Kahle Bedrohung
H.I.V+ - Peaceable Machines
Monolith - Tekno Buddha (BBQ Mix by Rev Dj RaZorslave)
Broken Fabiola - Japanese Callgirl (Manufactura Remix)
Genetic Selection - Freedom Requires Sacrifice
Black Lung - The Depopulation Bomb
P.A.L. - T.A.E.
Dulce Liquido - Psicosis
Proyecto Mirage - Peircing Ring (Human Mix)
5F_55 - Breakbug
Synth-Etik - Lek
Sonar - She's a Stone Killer


Rev

Comments

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xdingbatx
Apr. 27th, 2005 04:06 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm
With that demo
You'll be spinning down stairs with Me
razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 04:35 pm (UTC)
Well, I definately look forward to it, Assuming [info]uberthug Decides he'd like to work me in.

Rev
xdingbatx
Apr. 27th, 2005 04:41 pm (UTC)
I think you'll get it.
Good set.
BTW.
We met breifly at Dark Matter...
It was the shirt!!

razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 04:51 pm (UTC)
LOL, well at least i stood out in your mind. LOL. Glad you like the set, I'm always my own worst critic. . . The mixing on the first track was a little off, but I got into it after that. I didnt want to start over the list of technical difficulties I experienced just getting that first take down was truly staggering.

Rev
xdingbatx
Apr. 27th, 2005 05:06 pm (UTC)
sets
recording live sets is always a multi task...at least for me.... the phone will rings thousand times, or theres always a helicopter flyin' by etc etc etc....
It gets frustrating...




razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 05:48 pm (UTC)
Re: sets
Nods, its even worse when hardware, that has been "known good" starts fucking up for no reason that you can determine. Ahh the trials and tribulations of the mobile laptop dj. . .

Rev
xdingbatx
Apr. 27th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC)
Re: sets
Theres something I've yet to try...laptopping.
razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 07:43 pm (UTC)
Re: sets
It's definitely a different world, many many professional Dj's are switching over and Traktor Dj Studio (my favorite) seems to be the weapon of choice. Hell Sascha and John Digweed have completely moved over into the digital realm. Not to mention these guys.

Rev
xdingbatx
Apr. 27th, 2005 10:19 pm (UTC)
Re: sets
Well..that about sums it up...
Perhaps I'll give it a try
uberthug
Apr. 27th, 2005 05:16 pm (UTC)
downloading now. what kinda equipment did you use to make this?
razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 05:47 pm (UTC)
Laptop, Traktor Dj Stuido 2.5.1, Mixman DM2, Soundblaster Audigy 2 NX. I'm primarily a mobile laptop Dj, and was experiencing nothing but problems with the Hercules Dj Console I had been successfully using up until my last gig at the local goth night.

Rev
uberthug
Apr. 27th, 2005 06:05 pm (UTC)
hmm... laptop dj'ing isnt really gonna fly at the club... i would need to hear a demo of how you got down w/ cd's and vinyl.
razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 06:59 pm (UTC)
hmm, ok, I'll have to get my gear out of storage, I havnt een using it for the better part of a year. CanI ask why there is a no laptop prohibition? I've been Djing from Laptop for about a year at this point and I've never come across a problem that wasnt immediately reconcileable.

Rev
uberthug
Apr. 27th, 2005 07:19 pm (UTC)
Laptop DJ’s are looked down upon because it is so easy to blend, mix, ect, on top of the fact it’s so easy to acquire mp3’s from p2p. We owe it to the record labels, artists, and to the scene to keep it real, as well as giving our patrons the peace of mind of knowing that our DJ’s are out buying records just like we expect them to.

It’s never been a problem finding DJ’s who can rock the house the old fashion way, and by being picky, we are usually able to ensure that our DJ’s are always top notch, which is important when you are quite possibly the most influential club in the country.
razorslave
Apr. 27th, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC)
hmm, well, i can see your point to a certian extent. However, from a purly economical, and Mobile Dj standpoint, I looked at the options I wanted to be able to include in my sets and priced out the appropriate Dj Gear.

Pioneer DJM-600
List Price: $1,399.00
Pioneer CDJ-1000MK2 x 2
List: $1,299.00
Korg Kaos Pad II
List Price: $350.00

Total: $3048.00 not including Coffin and other extras needed

Versus

Compaq Presario Laptop - $976.00
Traktor Dj Studio - $199.00
Sounblaster Audigy 2 ZX - $129.00
DM2 Controller - $80.00
External 160 GB HD (Eliminating Need to cart around 400+ CD's)$150.00

Total: $1534.00

The laptop setup does all the same things (and more) that the Pioneer Setup does, cost half has much and is a better investment when it comes to wanting to do other things. This is nothing against you or the club, but penalizing and discriminating against Laptop Dj's because they choose to get more bang for their buck seems kinda, well, ridiculous.

I currently own well over 400 CD's I just purchased 4 more at the Imminent Show, I'm constantly expanding my collection, but I refuse to spin with my actual CD's anymore, shit they're in storage right now because I have nowhere to store them where I'm living. In clubs and at other events over the years (Since 1996 when i started Djing) I've had too many go missing or get damaged in clubs. So I have a binder full of compiled club track CD's with a database of what's on each disc. Would that be a problem if I brought in a binder full of burned discs to spin off of?

Rev
xdingbatx
Apr. 27th, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC)
WHat did ya pick up at Dark Matter?
razorslave
Apr. 28th, 2005 12:06 am (UTC)
Architect - I went Out Shopping to Get Some Noise
Hecate: Seven Veild of Silence
End User, From Zero
Venetian Snares - Horse and Goat (Which I left where I stashed it at the club) Oh well stupid drunk Dj Tax right

Rev
uberthug
Apr. 28th, 2005 02:58 am (UTC)
Would that be a problem if I brought in a binder full of burned discs to spin off of?

nope. infact, we all pretty much do that. And while i see your point about the laptop (I have 2 CDJ 1000's and a DJM 3000), it still dosent change the facxt that we would all never hear the end of it from our crowd.
razorslave
Apr. 28th, 2005 03:49 am (UTC)
Hypothetically then burned cd of said mp3 in binder with other burned CD's of misc selected club tracks that could origonate from physically owned albums or have been downloaded are O.K. but Mp3's which could have been ripped from owned CD's or downloaded from P2P networks are not. **shakes head** weird.

It just amazes me that the fans (and Dj's) of a genere of music that has alwasy been bleeding edge when it comes to teechnology would be so closed minded about advances in technology. Althoough I'm old enough to remember the same tired arguments (its cheating, its to easy, etc) being made against the first CD Players and mixers that came out that had looping functions and effects processors built in.

I'll break out my physical gear (stanton S-250's and a Stanton Pro-30 Mixer) and record something you can hear of me mixing with that gear.

What kind of gear is the back room equipped with then?

Rev

uberthug
Apr. 28th, 2005 05:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, I guess if you want to debate the semantics of the issue, there is no way that we could really know for sure if someone actually owned the cd’s and ripped them from wav’s, or just downloaded mp3’s.

However, you are also not really taking into account the fact that we don’t really book guest dj’s very often, and when we do, it’s generally on the recommendation of someone I know and trust opinions, and about 95% of the time, it works out.

You seem like a cool enough dude and all, but with out sounding like a dick, YOU were the one who asked US about DJing, not vise versa.

If you don’t like our rules, then it’s really not a big loss on our part. I get about 10 people a month wanting to guest DJ, and more often than not, 10 of them are people who came across tractor and all of a sudden thing they have the skills that quite a lot of people spend decades working on. I asked you for a demo of your mixing ability, not a laptop mix. The more you make a issue out of it, and more importantly, the more time I spend explaining it to you, makes it less and less likely that I’m going to be real enthusiastic about booking you at the club.
razorslave
Apr. 28th, 2005 06:33 am (UTC)
Sorry if I came across as being a dick about it. That truly wasnt my intention. I have no problem at all with providing you with a mix done physically with actual dj gear.

My whole point in this discussion was to understand why the club had the provisions that it did regarding laptops. Which I now do, I should have the new mix ready for you within the week.

Rev
(Anonymous)
Apr. 28th, 2005 09:45 pm (UTC)
With all due respect, you can run your show however you want to...

But I've had a residence for almost four years at a venue that had their own CD decks, but DJs were expected to bring their own turntables... so I just showed up one night with Traktor over two years ago. The other DJs turned their noses up for a few minutes, but then came in the booth to watch and they were won over when they saw how much control I had and heard the results, so I don't get any hassle from them, nor the crowd.

As for the p2p thing, I'm with you on that, so I have to contend with other people's assumptions that I steal my music. I prefer the sound quality of the tunes if I can rip them myself anyway. I like having the original vinyl or CD because there are probably more tracks I want to use, as well as info from liner notes, artwork, etc. But CD-DJ's don't get asked where they get their songs. I can tell you that many I know won't consider buying their music.

I've had gig offers turned down in the past because of Traktor, but when I've showed up with it, I've never had an unsuccessful performance.

You can do a lot of tricks with Traktor that you can't do with vinyl or CDs anyway... spontaneous loops, greater selection to carry, skipping seamlessly back or forward through a track.

Vinyl-only DJs who have criticized me for bringing a laptop assume I'm "cheating" somehow, but they couldn't pull off what I do without learning it. And yes, it's just as possible to screw up a mix on Traktor as on any other medium.

And then, the only criticism they're left with is that it "just doesn't look cool". And if it comes down to "looking cool", I question anyone's motives for becoming a DJ in the first place.

Cheers.
(Anonymous)
Jun. 1st, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Hmmm...
Looked down upon... ? By whom I would ask? Most clubbers don't give a rats about the medium, they just want good music and a good time. Many/Most laptop DJ critics it has been my experience, fall into one or more of the following categories.
They feel threatened by the whole Digital thing and / because they just cannot get their head around it.

Are hung up on looking the part not actually being the part Laptop DJ's are in a good number of cases head down computer operators not performing to and for the crowd. That does not look the part, hence part of that criticizm is valid.

Are wannabe DJ's themselves who just can't seem to make it work for themselves, Throw in digital and its all about being light years away from being capable.

Some of the above criticizms have some grounding in fact but as often as not, the real motive is ulterior.

So lets move on the the realm of hypocrisy for a moment. If Uberthug was offered sets from BT, Sasha, John Digweed, Christopher Lawrence, DJ Hell, Way Out West, PVD or a host of other would he jump at the chance? Hell yes! As a promoter so would I! These guys all perform on laptops, why is it that he would never question these guys performing using laptops but Razor gets scrutinized? Bias? maybe. Razor is an unknown. his music is out there and its known but his performance skills are not. As a Laptop DJ I would feel slighted but as a promoter and I am, I can understand Uberthugs position. Some of his argument is valid, some (in my opinion) is not.

That being said its his show and he has plenty of conventional talent available. It seems only reasonable he is going to stay where he is comfortable. Hell if I were not interested in really pushing boundaries I would do the same, I'm not and I don't.

When all is said and done though If I'm promoting a big show and you are an unknown, you need to let me hear you, THEN you need to let me see. Its not about image its about performance, you can be the ugliest geeky duckling in the world, if you can spin digital AND you can perform like a madman you are in! in my books anyway.
irishmasms
Apr. 30th, 2005 10:22 pm (UTC)
Demo
Sounds good to me - and you know how this genre of music is just starting to grow on me.

BTW, the thread on here? what a fucktard - sounds like the distro wars in Linux, or the which OS is better arguments... Or why the RIAA/MPAA should come down on file shares because it is ruining their monopolistic markets now in place...


Besides, newsgroups are where it is at! ;)

razorslave
Apr. 30th, 2005 10:34 pm (UTC)
Re: Demo
Now now, people I'm trying to work with the man, and give him something that he can rate on his own scales of what a good Dj is, please don't make it harder than it has to be. . .

Rev
irishmasms
Apr. 30th, 2005 10:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Demo
Not my intent, but since we are all speaking our mind on the topic...

The position taken is a on a slippery slope. It is too easy? please!
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